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Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode #203

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@Megej

Summary

When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

Environment

  • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
  • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
  • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

Observed behavior

Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

  • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
  • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
  • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

Why it matters

For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

  1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
  2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

  • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
  • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
  • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

  • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
  • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
  • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
  • Smaller batches + re-runs.

None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

Relation to roadmap

Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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    Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode · Issue #203 · VectifyAI/OpenKB · GitHub
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    Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode #203

    Description

    @Megej

    Summary

    When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

    Environment

    • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
    • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
    • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

    Observed behavior

    Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

    • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
    • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
    • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

    Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

    Why it matters

    For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

    Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

    An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

    1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
    2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

    This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

    • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
    • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
    • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

    Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

    Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

    • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
    • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
    • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
    • Smaller batches + re-runs.

    None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

    Relation to roadmap

    Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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      Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode #203

      Description

      @Megej

      Summary

      When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

      Environment

      • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
      • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
      • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

      Observed behavior

      Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

      • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
      • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
      • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

      Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

      Why it matters

      For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

      Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

      An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

      1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
      2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

      This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

      • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
      • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
      • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

      Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

      Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

      • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
      • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
      • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
      • Smaller batches + re-runs.

      None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

      Relation to roadmap

      Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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        Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode #203

        Description

        @Megej

        Summary

        When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

        Environment

        • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
        • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
        • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

        Observed behavior

        Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

        • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
        • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
        • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

        Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

        Why it matters

        For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

        Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

        An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

        1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
        2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

        This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

        • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
        • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
        • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

        Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

        Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

        • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
        • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
        • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
        • Smaller batches + re-runs.

        None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

        Relation to roadmap

        Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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          Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode #203

          Description

          @Megej

          Summary

          When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

          Environment

          • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
          • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
          • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

          Observed behavior

          Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

          • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
          • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
          • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

          Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

          Why it matters

          For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

          Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

          An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

          1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
          2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

          This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

          • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
          • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
          • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

          Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

          Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

          • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
          • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
          • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
          • Smaller batches + re-runs.

          None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

          Relation to roadmap

          Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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            Bulk ingestion: per-document rewrites of entity/concept pages scale ~O(N²) on large, topically-dense corpora — propose a two-phase (map/reduce) consolidation mode #203

            Description

            @Megej

            Summary

            When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

            Environment

            • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
            • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
            • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

            Observed behavior

            Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

            • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
            • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
            • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

            Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

            Why it matters

            For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

            Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

            An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

            1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
            2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

            This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

            • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
            • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
            • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

            Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

            Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

            • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
            • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
            • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
            • Smaller batches + re-runs.

            None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

            Relation to roadmap

            Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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              Summary

              When back-filling a large, topically-dense corpus in one pass, openkb add gets progressively slower because entity and concept pages are re-generated in full on every document. For "hot" entities/concepts that appear in most documents, the page grows with each ingest and is rewritten each time, so total work scales roughly O(N²) and per-document latency/token-cost climbs steadily. The incremental model is great for steady-state use (a few sources at a time); it's a poor fit for a one-time migration of hundreds–thousands of documents.

              Environment

              • openkb 0.4.5 (pip), Python 3.13
              • Model: bedrock/us.anthropic.claude-sonnet-4-6 via LiteLLM
              • Corpus: ~1,100 documents, topically dense (many documents about the same handful of suppliers, standards bodies, and topics); mixed PDF/DOCX/PPTX

              Observed behavior

              Ingesting one document at a time, update: / entity-update: calls on recurring pages grow without bound:

              • A supplier entity referenced across dozens of documents: its update call grew from ~69s to ~154s (~4.6k → ~8.3k output tokens) over a single 20-document batch as the page accreted.
              • An umbrella concept: one update reached ~310s / ~14k output tokens.
              • Worst case, an entity representing the corpus author (present in nearly every document): ~290s / ~13.7k output tokens per update — until we excluded it via AGENTS.md.

              Each update regenerates the whole (growing) page, so cost is dominated by re-writing the same accreting pages rather than by the new document's content. recompile re-runs the same per-document loop, so it doesn't help.

              Why it matters

              For the intended steady-state workflow (drop a source, review) this is invisible — pages stay small and stable. But for a one-time backfill of a large archive, per-document cost climbs into minutes and the token spend / wall-time make full ingestion impractical (our ~1,100-doc set extrapolates to tens of hours).

              Proposed enhancement — a batch / two-phase consolidation mode

              An ingestion mode optimized for bulk backfill:

              1. Map (per document, parallelizable): extract entity/concept mentions from each document independently — cheap, and with no dependence on the growing wiki state.
              2. Reduce (once per unique entity/concept): after the batch (or per N-document chunk), synthesize each entity/concept page a single time from all its collected mentions.

              This turns O(N²) full-page rewrites into ~O(N) extraction + one synthesis per unique page. It also:

              • makes entity canonicalization easier (all name variants are visible at once, so foo-bar vs bar-foo duplicates can be merged in the reduce);
              • lets contradiction detection run over the full mention set rather than incrementally;
              • can go hierarchical for very large corpora (chunk → summarize → merge), dovetailing with the roadmap item "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases."

              Possible CLI surface: openkb add <dir> --bulk (or --batch-consolidate), leaving the default per-document behavior unchanged for steady-state use.

              Alternatives / current mitigations (all partial)

              • Excluding "hot" entities (e.g., a corpus-author self-entity) via AGENTS.md.
              • Splitting the corpus into per-topic knowledge bases so fewer documents hit the same pages.
              • Keeping concepts atomic / avoiding umbrella pages (schema guidance — but the compiler still rewrites whole pages).
              • Smaller batches + re-runs.

              None address the core O(N²) rewrite cost for genuinely recurring entities/concepts.

              Relation to roadmap

              Aligns with "scale to large document collections" and "hierarchical concept (topic) indexing for massive knowledge bases." Happy to help test.

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