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@TomAugspurger

This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

Some topics of discussion:

  1. data types should be nullable

I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
This is not the case with pandas:

In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
Out[8]:
ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

  1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

>>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
>>> df1 + 1
A
0 2
1 <NA>
2 4
>>> df1 == 1
A
0 True
1 <NA>
2 False

There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

  1. Semantics in logical operations

For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

  1. The need for a scalar NA?

Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

>>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
>>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

(arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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      Missing Data #9

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      @TomAugspurger

      This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

      First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
      Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

      Some topics of discussion:

      1. data types should be nullable

      I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
      This is not the case with pandas:

      In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
      In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
      In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
      AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
      Out[8]:
      ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
      AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

      In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

      Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

      1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

      In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

      >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
      >>> df1 + 1
      A
      0 2
      1 <NA>
      2 4
      >>> df1 == 1
      A
      0 True
      1 <NA>
      2 False
      

      There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

      1. Semantics in logical operations

      For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
      The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

      1. The need for a scalar NA?

      Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

      >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
      >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

      What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

      (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

      Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
      There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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          Missing Data #9

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          @TomAugspurger

          This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

          First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
          Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

          Some topics of discussion:

          1. data types should be nullable

          I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
          This is not the case with pandas:

          In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
          In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
          In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
          AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
          Out[8]:
          ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
          AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

          In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

          Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

          1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

          In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

          >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
          >>> df1 + 1
          A
          0 2
          1 <NA>
          2 4
          >>> df1 == 1
          A
          0 True
          1 <NA>
          2 False
          

          There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

          1. Semantics in logical operations

          For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
          The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

          1. The need for a scalar NA?

          Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

          >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
          >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

          What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

          (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

          Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
          There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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              @TomAugspurger

              This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

              First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
              Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

              Some topics of discussion:

              1. data types should be nullable

              I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
              This is not the case with pandas:

              In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
              In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
              In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
              AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
              Out[8]:
              ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
              AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

              In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

              Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

              1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

              In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

              >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
              >>> df1 + 1
              A
              0 2
              1 <NA>
              2 4
              >>> df1 == 1
              A
              0 True
              1 <NA>
              2 False
              

              There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

              1. Semantics in logical operations

              For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
              The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

              1. The need for a scalar NA?

              Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

              >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
              >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

              What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

              (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

              Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
              There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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                  Missing Data #9

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                  @TomAugspurger

                  This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

                  First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
                  Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

                  Some topics of discussion:

                  1. data types should be nullable

                  I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
                  This is not the case with pandas:

                  In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
                  In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
                  In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
                  AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
                  Out[8]:
                  ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
                  AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

                  In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

                  Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

                  1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

                  In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

                  >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
                  >>> df1 + 1
                  A
                  0 2
                  1 <NA>
                  2 4
                  >>> df1 == 1
                  A
                  0 True
                  1 <NA>
                  2 False
                  

                  There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

                  1. Semantics in logical operations

                  For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
                  The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

                  1. The need for a scalar NA?

                  Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

                  >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
                  >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

                  What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

                  (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

                  Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
                  There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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                      @TomAugspurger

                      This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

                      First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
                      Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

                      Some topics of discussion:

                      1. data types should be nullable

                      I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
                      This is not the case with pandas:

                      In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
                      In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
                      In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
                      AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
                      Out[8]:
                      ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
                      AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

                      In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

                      Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

                      1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

                      In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

                      >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
                      >>> df1 + 1
                      A
                      0 2
                      1 <NA>
                      2 4
                      >>> df1 == 1
                      A
                      0 True
                      1 <NA>
                      2 False
                      

                      There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

                      1. Semantics in logical operations

                      For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
                      The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

                      1. The need for a scalar NA?

                      Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

                      >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
                      >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

                      What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

                      (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

                      Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
                      There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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                          Missing Data #9

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                          @TomAugspurger

                          This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

                          First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
                          Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

                          Some topics of discussion:

                          1. data types should be nullable

                          I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
                          This is not the case with pandas:

                          In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
                          In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
                          In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
                          AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
                          Out[8]:
                          ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
                          AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

                          In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

                          Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

                          1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

                          In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

                          >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
                          >>> df1 + 1
                          A
                          0 2
                          1 <NA>
                          2 4
                          >>> df1 == 1
                          A
                          0 True
                          1 <NA>
                          2 False
                          

                          There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

                          1. Semantics in logical operations

                          For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
                          The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

                          1. The need for a scalar NA?

                          Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

                          >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
                          >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

                          What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

                          (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

                          Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
                          There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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                              Missing Data #9

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                              @TomAugspurger

                              This issues is dedicated to discussing the large topic of "missing" data.

                              First, a bit on names. I think we can reasonably choose between NA, null, or missing as a general name for "missing" values. We'd use that to inform decisions on method names like DataFrame.isna() vs. DataFrame.isnull() vs. ...
                              Pandas favors NA, databases might favor null, Julia uses missing. I don't have a strong opinion here.

                              Some topics of discussion:

                              1. data types should be nullable

                              I think we'd like that the introduction of missing data should not fundamentally change the dtype of a column.
                              This is not the case with pandas:

                              In [5]: df1=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'b'], "B": [1, 2]})
                              In [6]: df2=pd.DataFrame({"A": ['a', 'c'], "C": [3, 4]})
                              In [7]: df1.dtypesOut[7]:
                              AobjectBint64dtype: objectIn [8]: pd.merge(df1, df2, on="A", how="outer")
                              Out[8]:
                              ABC0a1.03.01b2.0NaN2cNaN4.0In [9]: _.dtypesOut[9]:
                              AobjectBfloat64Cfloat64

                              In pandas, for int-dtype data NaN is used as the missing value indicator. NaN is a float, and so the column is cast to float64 dtype.

                              Ideally Out[9] would preserve the int dtype for B and C. At this moment, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the dtype for B should be a plain int64, or something like a Union[int64, NA].

                              1. Semantics in arithmetic and comparison operations

                              In general, missing values should propagate in arithmetic and comparison operations (using <NA> as a marker for a missing value)`.

                              >>> df1 = DataFrame({"A": [1, None, 3]})
                              >>> df1 + 1
                              A
                              0 2
                              1 <NA>
                              2 4
                              >>> df1 == 1
                              A
                              0 True
                              1 <NA>
                              2 False
                              

                              There might be a few exceptions. For example 0 ** NA might be 1 rather than NA, since it doesn't matter exactly what value NA takes on.

                              1. Semantics in logical operations

                              For boolean logical operations (and, or, xor), libraries should implement three-value or Kleene Logic. The pandas docs has a table
                              The short-version is that the result should be NA if it depends on whether the NA operand being True or False. For example, True | NA is True, since it doesn't matter whether that NA is "really" True or False.

                              1. The need for a scalar NA?

                              Libraries might need to implement a scalar NA value, but I'm not sure. As a user, you would get this from indexing to get a scalar, or in an operation that produces an NA result.

                              >>>df=pd.DataFrame({"A": [None]})
                              >>>df.iloc[0, 0] # no comment on the indexing API<NA>

                              What semantics should this scalar NA have? In particular, should it be typed? This is something we've struggled with in recent versions of pandas. There's a desire to preserve a property along the lines of the following

                              (arr1+arr2)[0].dtype== (arr1+arr2[0]).dtype

                              Where the first value in the second array is NA. If you have a single NA without any dtype, you can't implement that property.
                              There's a long thread on this at pandas-dev/pandas#28095.

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