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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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pub(crate) fn do_test_store<K: KVStoreSync + Sync>(store_0: &K, store_1: &K) {
// This value is used later to limit how many iterations we perform.
let persister_0_max_pending_updates = 7;
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I've seen this also in rust-lightning, and also there I didn't understand what alignment there is to test because the nodes are independent?

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Yeah, you'd have to ask the OP regarding the comment, but it's also of course not wrong to set a different value here.

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It isn't wrong, but thought it might be worth knowing a bit more about it now that you are taking over.

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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
// Send a few more payments to try all the alignments of max pending updates with
// updates for a payment sent and received.
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for i in 3..=persister_0_max_pending_updates * 2 {

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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
assert_eq!(node_txn.len(), 1);
let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
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Some independent refactoring here?

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Yeah, doesn't hurt either though.

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I meant to say that it is better to isolate in a separate commit.

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Why the code move?

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You'd have to ask OP for the original reason, I left it in as grouping the channel monitor IO with setting up the persister and ChainMonitor made sense to me, but there might be different ways to think about it, probably. Let me know if you'd prefer to revert the change.

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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

Comment threadsrc/builder.rs
const VSS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 877;
const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
const LSPS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 577;
const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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Is there science to the number 100?

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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

We use LDK's `MonitorUpdatingPersister` to persist (and read)
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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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pub(crate) fn do_test_store<K: KVStoreSync + Sync>(store_0: &K, store_1: &K) {
// This value is used later to limit how many iterations we perform.
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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

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assert_eq!(node_txn.len(), 1);
let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
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I meant to say that it is better to isolate in a separate commit.

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You'd have to ask OP for the original reason, I left it in as grouping the channel monitor IO with setting up the persister and ChainMonitor made sense to me, but there might be different ways to think about it, probably. Let me know if you'd prefer to revert the change.

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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

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const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
const LSPS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 577;
const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

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let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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pub(crate) fn do_test_store<K: KVStoreSync + Sync>(store_0: &K, store_1: &K) {
// This value is used later to limit how many iterations we perform.
let persister_0_max_pending_updates = 7;
// Intentionally set this to a smaller value to test a different alignment.

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I've seen this also in rust-lightning, and also there I didn't understand what alignment there is to test because the nodes are independent?

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Yeah, you'd have to ask the OP regarding the comment, but it's also of course not wrong to set a different value here.

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It isn't wrong, but thought it might be worth knowing a bit more about it now that you are taking over.

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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
// Send a few more payments to try all the alignments of max pending updates with
// updates for a payment sent and received.
let mut sender = 0;
for i in 3..=persister_0_max_pending_updates * 2 {

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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
assert_eq!(node_txn.len(), 1);
let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
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Some independent refactoring here?

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Yeah, doesn't hurt either though.

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I meant to say that it is better to isolate in a separate commit.

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// Read ChannelMonitor state from store
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You'd have to ask OP for the original reason, I left it in as grouping the channel monitor IO with setting up the persister and ChainMonitor made sense to me, but there might be different ways to think about it, probably. Let me know if you'd prefer to revert the change.

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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

Comment threadsrc/builder.rs
const VSS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 877;
const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
const LSPS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 577;
const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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Is there science to the number 100?

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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

We use LDK's `MonitorUpdatingPersister` to persist (and read)
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Squashed the fixup without further changes.. Going ahead landing this:

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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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pub(crate) fn do_test_store<K: KVStoreSync + Sync>(store_0: &K, store_1: &K) {
// This value is used later to limit how many iterations we perform.
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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
// Send a few more payments to try all the alignments of max pending updates with
// updates for a payment sent and received.
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for i in 3..=persister_0_max_pending_updates * 2 {

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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

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assert_eq!(node_txn.len(), 1);
let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
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I meant to say that it is better to isolate in a separate commit.

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You'd have to ask OP for the original reason, I left it in as grouping the channel monitor IO with setting up the persister and ChainMonitor made sense to me, but there might be different ways to think about it, probably. Let me know if you'd prefer to revert the change.

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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

Comment threadsrc/builder.rs
const VSS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 877;
const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
const LSPS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 577;
const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

We use LDK's `MonitorUpdatingPersister` to persist (and read)
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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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// This value is used later to limit how many iterations we perform.
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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

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let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

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const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
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const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

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Yeah, you'd have to ask the OP regarding the comment, but it's also of course not wrong to set a different value here.

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It isn't wrong, but thought it might be worth knowing a bit more about it now that you are taking over.

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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
// Send a few more payments to try all the alignments of max pending updates with
// updates for a payment sent and received.
let mut sender = 0;
for i in 3..=persister_0_max_pending_updates * 2 {

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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
assert_eq!(node_txn.len(), 1);
let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
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Some independent refactoring here?

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Yeah, doesn't hurt either though.

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I meant to say that it is better to isolate in a separate commit.

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// Read ChannelMonitor state from store
let channel_monitors = match persister.read_all_channel_monitors_with_updates() {

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Why the code move?

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You'd have to ask OP for the original reason, I left it in as grouping the channel monitor IO with setting up the persister and ChainMonitor made sense to me, but there might be different ways to think about it, probably. Let me know if you'd prefer to revert the change.

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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

Comment threadsrc/builder.rs
const VSS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 877;
const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
const LSPS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 577;
const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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Is there science to the number 100?

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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

We use LDK's `MonitorUpdatingPersister` to persist (and read)
differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.
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Squashed the fixup without further changes.. Going ahead landing this:

> git diff-tree -U2 c9f7a65e fc6a7ff1>

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Closes#441

We use LDK's MonitorUpdatingPersister to persist (and read) differential updates, instead of always repersisting the full monitors.

This is mostly a simple rebase of #456 (whose original author moved on) on top of current main.

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Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
pub(crate) fn do_test_store<K: KVStoreSync + Sync>(store_0: &K, store_1: &K) {
// This value is used later to limit how many iterations we perform.
let persister_0_max_pending_updates = 7;
// Intentionally set this to a smaller value to test a different alignment.

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I've seen this also in rust-lightning, and also there I didn't understand what alignment there is to test because the nodes are independent?

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Yeah, you'd have to ask the OP regarding the comment, but it's also of course not wrong to set a different value here.

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It isn't wrong, but thought it might be worth knowing a bit more about it now that you are taking over.

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@joostjager I think I wrote this sentence first in rust-lightning in this PR: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/rust-lightning/pull/2359/files#diff-0f1c2f21752b2bf468479020ff092a484d8b0a4a1c018241e3a127b62aa51de2R914

I think what we were concerned with was weird edge cases / off-by-one errors in the compaction algorithm in particular. I think there was a state of this PR where odd numbered maximum_pending_updates would drop one or something. Initially we just tested the kind of obvious/likely powers of 10. So deliberately using a few different primes became a thing.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
// Send a few more payments to try all the alignments of max pending updates with
// updates for a payment sent and received.
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This also seems a bit overkill at the ldk node level?

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Mhh, a bit more test coverage doesn't hurt? FWIW, this could be made a proptest to have it be less deterministic, but apart from that there isn't much harm?

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It doesn't hurt in terms over coverage, but it is probably duplicative, and code carries cost.

Comment threadsrc/io/test_utils.rs
assert_eq!(node_txn.len(), 1);
let txn = vec![node_txn[0].clone(), node_txn[0].clone()];
let dummy_block = create_dummy_block(nodes[0].best_block_hash(), 42, txn);
connect_block(&nodes[1], &dummy_block);

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Some independent refactoring here?

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Yeah, doesn't hurt either though.

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I meant to say that it is better to isolate in a separate commit.

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Why the code move?

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You'd have to ask OP for the original reason, I left it in as grouping the channel monitor IO with setting up the persister and ChainMonitor made sense to me, but there might be different ways to think about it, probably. Let me know if you'd prefer to revert the change.

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It's ok. The origin of the comment was diff optimization.

Comment threadsrc/builder.rs
const VSS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 877;
const VSS_LNURL_AUTH_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 138;
const LSPS_HARDENED_CHILD_INDEX: u32 = 577;
const PERSISTER_MAX_PENDING_UPDATES: u64 = 100;

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Is there science to the number 100?

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No, just handwaving currently. There has been some benchmarking over at lightningdevkit/rust-lightning#3834 but it never got anywhere super conclusive. Let me know if you have a better guess.

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Does not seem unreasonable. Going higher is probably not gaining much. Maybe it could be a bit lower. But also fine as is.

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Replied. Nothing blocking.

We use LDK's `MonitorUpdatingPersister` to persist (and read)
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Squashed the fixup without further changes.. Going ahead landing this:

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