Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

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@yortus

Project A:

// file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

Project B:

// file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

(Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

(Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

Bug or by design?

I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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      , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Add copy buttons to all
       blocks\n(function() {\n function addCopyButtons() {\n document.querySelectorAll('pre code').forEach(function(codeBlock) {\n if (codeBlock.parentElement.hasAttribute('data-copy-added')) return;\n codeBlock.parentElement.setAttribute('data-copy-added', 'true');\n \n var btn = document.createElement('button');\n btn.textContent = 'Copy';\n btn.style.cssText = 'position:absolute;top:4px;right:4px;padding:2px 8px;font-size:11px;background:#4ecdc4;border:none;border-radius:4px;color:#1a1a2e;cursor:pointer;opacity:0.7;transition:opacity 0.2s;';\n btn.onmouseover = function() { this.style.opacity = '1'; };\n btn.onmouseout = function() { this.style.opacity = '0.7'; };\n btn.onclick = function() {\n navigator.clipboard.writeText(codeBlock.textContent).then(function() {\n btn.textContent = 'Copied!';\n setTimeout(function() { btn.textContent = 'Copy'; }, 1500);\n });\n };\n codeBlock.parentElement.style.position = 'relative';\n codeBlock.parentElement.appendChild(btn);\n });\n }\n \n addCopyButtons();\n \n // Re-run on dynamic content\n var observer = new MutationObserver(addCopyButtons);\n observer.observe(document.body, { childList: true, subtree: true });\n})();", "Add Copy Buttons to Code Blocks");
      }
      } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:Add Copy Buttons to Code Blocks]', __e); }
      })();
      (function(){
      try {
      var __m = "github.com";
      var __re = new RegExp('^' + "github\\.com" + '
      
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      Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

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      @yortus

      Project A:

      // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

      Project B:

      // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

      These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

      (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

      (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

      Bug or by design?

      I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

      However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

      If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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          , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Force GitHub README to respect dark mode\n(function() {\n var style = document.createElement('style');\n style.textContent = '\n .markdown-body {\n color-scheme: dark light;\n }\n .markdown-body pre { background: #161b22 !important; }\n .markdown-body code { background: rgba(110, 118, 129, 0.4) !important; }\n .markdown-body table th, .markdown-body table td { border-color: #30363d !important; }\n .markdown-body img { background: #0d1117; }\n .markdown-body blockquote { border-left-color: #8b949e; }\n .markdown-body hr { border-color: #30363d; }\n ';\n document.head.appendChild(style);\n})();", "GitHub Dark Mode README Fix"); } } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:GitHub Dark Mode README Fix]', __e); } })(); (function(){ try { var __m = "*"; var __re = new RegExp('^' + ".*" + '
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          Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

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          @yortus

          Project A:

          // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

          Project B:

          // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

          These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

          (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

          (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

          Bug or by design?

          I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

          However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

          If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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              , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Highlight search terms from Google/DuckDuckGo/Bing referrer\n(function() {\n var ref = document.referrer;\n var terms = [];\n \n if (ref.includes('google.com') || ref.includes('duckduckgo.com') || ref.includes('bing.com')) {\n var url = new URL(ref);\n var q = url.searchParams.get('q') || url.searchParams.get('p');\n if (q) {\n terms = q.split(/\\s+/).filter(function(t) { return t.length > 2; });\n }\n }\n \n if (terms.length === 0) return;\n \n var style = document.createElement('style');\n style.textContent = '.userscript-highlight { background: #fbbf24; color: #1a1a2e; padding: 1px 3px; border-radius: 2px; }';\n document.head.appendChild(style);\n \n function highlight(node) {\n if (node.nodeType === 3) { // text node\n var text = node.textContent;\n var found = false;\n terms.forEach(function(term) {\n var regex = new RegExp('(' + term.replace(/[.*+?^${}()|[\\]\\\\]/g, '\\\\') + ')', 'gi');\n if (regex.test(text)) {\n found = true;\n var frag = document.createDocumentFragment();\n var parts = text.split(regex);\n parts.forEach(function(part, i) {\n if (i % 2 === 0) {\n frag.appendChild(document.createTextNode(part));\n } else {\n var span = document.createElement('span');\n span.className = 'userscript-highlight';\n span.textContent = part;\n frag.appendChild(span);\n }\n });\n node.parentNode.replaceChild(frag, node);\n }\n });\n } else if (node.nodeType === 1 && node.childNodes) { // element\n var skipTags = ['SCRIPT', 'STYLE', 'NOSCRIPT', 'TEXTAREA', 'INPUT', 'SELECT'];\n if (!skipTags.includes(node.tagName)) {\n Array.from(node.childNodes).forEach(highlight);\n }\n }\n }\n \n highlight(document.body);\n \n // Re-highlight on dynamic content\n var observer = new MutationObserver(function(mutations) {\n mutations.forEach(function(m) {\n m.addedNodes.forEach(function(node) {\n if (node.nodeType === 1 || node.nodeType === 3) highlight(node);\n });\n });\n });\n observer.observe(document.body, { childList: true, subtree: true });\n})();", "Highlight Search Terms"); } } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:Highlight Search Terms]', __e); } })(); (function(){ try { var __m = "*"; var __re = new RegExp('^' + ".*" + '
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              Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

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              @yortus

              Project A:

              // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

              Project B:

              // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

              These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

              (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

              (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

              Bug or by design?

              I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

              However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

              If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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                  , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Strip utm_, fbclid, gclid, etc. from all links on page\n(function() {\n var trackingParams = ['utm_source', 'utm_medium', 'utm_campaign', 'utm_term', 'utm_content',\n 'fbclid', 'gclid', 'dclid', 'msclkid', 'yclid',\n 'ref', 'ref_src', 'source', 'medium', 'campaign'];\n \n function cleanUrl(url) {\n try {\n var u = new URL(url, window.location.origin);\n var changed = false;\n trackingParams.forEach(function(p) {\n if (u.searchParams.has(p)) {\n u.searchParams.delete(p);\n changed = true;\n }\n });\n return changed ? u.toString() : url;\n } catch (e) {\n return url;\n }\n }\n \n function cleanLinks() {\n document.querySelectorAll('a[href]').forEach(function(a) {\n var clean = cleanUrl(a.href);\n if (clean !== a.href) a.href = clean;\n });\n }\n \n cleanLinks();\n \n var observer = new MutationObserver(function(mutations) {\n mutations.forEach(function(m) {\n m.addedNodes.forEach(function(node) {\n if (node.nodeType === 1) {\n if (node.tagName === 'A') cleanLinks();\n node.querySelectorAll('a[href]').forEach(function(a) {\n var clean = cleanUrl(a.href);\n if (clean !== a.href) a.href = clean;\n });\n }\n });\n });\n });\n observer.observe(document.body, { childList: true, subtree: true });\n})();", "Remove Tracking Parameters from Links"); } } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:Remove Tracking Parameters from Links]', __e); } })(); (function(){ try { var __m = "youtube.com"; var __re = new RegExp('^' + "youtube\\.com" + '
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                  Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

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                  @yortus

                  Project A:

                  // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                  Project B:

                  // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                  These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

                  (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

                  (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

                  Bug or by design?

                  I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

                  However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

                  If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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                      , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Auto-enable theater mode on YouTube\n(function() {\n function tryTheater() {\n var btn = document.querySelector('button[aria-label=\"Theater mode\"], ytd-player #player button[title=\"Theater mode\"]');\n if (btn && !btn.classList.contains('activated')) {\n btn.click();\n }\n }\n \n // Try immediately\n tryTheater();\n \n // Try after navigation (SPA)\n var lastUrl = location.href;\n setInterval(function() {\n if (location.href !== lastUrl) {\n lastUrl = location.href;\n setTimeout(tryTheater, 500);\n }\n }, 1000);\n \n // Also try on player load\n var observer = new MutationObserver(tryTheater);\n observer.observe(document.body, { childList: true, subtree: true });\n})();", "YouTube Theater Mode Default"); } } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:YouTube Theater Mode Default]', __e); } })(); (function(){ try { var __m = "*"; var __re = new RegExp('^' + ".*" + '
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                      Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

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                      @yortus

                      Project A:

                      // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                      Project B:

                      // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                      These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

                      (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

                      (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

                      Bug or by design?

                      I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

                      However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

                      If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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                          , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Remove or un-stick sticky/fixed headers that block content\n(function() {\n function unstick() {\n document.querySelectorAll('header, nav, [role=\"banner\"], .header, .navbar, .sticky, .fixed-top, [style*=\"position: fixed\"], [style*=\"position:sticky\"]').forEach(function(el) {\n if (el.style.position === 'fixed' || el.style.position === 'sticky' || \n getComputedStyle(el).position === 'fixed' || getComputedStyle(el).position === 'sticky') {\n el.style.position = 'static';\n el.style.top = 'auto';\n el.style.zIndex = 'auto';\n }\n });\n }\n \n unstick();\n \n var observer = new MutationObserver(unstick);\n observer.observe(document.body, { childList: true, subtree: true, attributes: true, attributeFilter: ['style', 'class'] });\n})();", "Kill Sticky Headers"); } } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:Kill Sticky Headers]', __e); } })(); (function(){ try { var __m = "*"; var __re = new RegExp('^' + ".*" + '
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                          Type-directed emit breaks language design goals. Is it worth it? #6007

                          Description

                          @yortus

                          Project A:

                          // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                          Project B:

                          // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                          These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

                          (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

                          (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

                          Bug or by design?

                          I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

                          However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

                          If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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                              , 'i'); if (__m === '*' || __re.test(location.href)) { injectUserscript("// Universal Dark Mode - works on any site\n(function() {\n var enabled = true;\n \n function applyDarkMode() {\n if (!enabled) return;\n \n // Create style element if it doesn't exist\n var style = document.getElementById('universal-dark-mode-style');\n if (!style) {\n style = document.createElement('style');\n style.id = 'universal-dark-mode-style';\n document.head.appendChild(style);\n }\n \n // Dark mode CSS - inverts colors but preserves images/video\n style.textContent = '\n /* Invert everything except media */\n html {\n filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg) !important;\n background: #1a1a2e !important;\n }\n \n /* Restore images, videos, iframes, canvas */\n img, video, iframe, canvas, svg, picture, [style*=\"background-image\"] {\n filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg) !important;\n }\n \n /* Preserve specific elements that should not be inverted */\n .no-dark-mode, .no-dark-mode *,\n [data-theme=\"light\"], [data-theme=\"light\"],\n .ace_editor, .ace_editor *,\n .CodeMirror, .CodeMirror *,\n .monaco-editor, .monaco-editor *,\n .markdown-body pre, .markdown-body pre *,\n .highlight, .highlight *,\n pre code, pre code * {\n filter: none !important;\n }\n \n /* Fix common UI elements */\n .modal, .popup, .dropdown-menu, .tooltip, .popover {\n filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg) !important;\n background: #2d2d44 !important;\n border-color: #444 !important;\n }\n \n /* Scrollbars */\n ::-webkit-scrollbar { background: #1a1a2e !important; }\n ::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb { background: #444 !important; }\n ::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb:hover { background: #555 !important; }\n \n /* Selection */\n ::selection { background: #4ecdc4 !important; color: #1a1a2e !important; }\n ::-moz-selection { background: #4ecdc4 !important; color: #1a1a2e !important; }\n ';\n }\n \n function removeDarkMode() {\n var style = document.getElementById('universal-dark-mode-style');\n if (style) style.remove();\n }\n \n // Toggle with Alt+Shift+D\n document.addEventListener('keydown', function(e) {\n if (e.altKey && e.shiftKey && e.key === 'D') {\n e.preventDefault();\n enabled = !enabled;\n if (enabled) {\n applyDarkMode();\n console.log('[Universal Dark Mode] Enabled');\n } else {\n removeDarkMode();\n console.log('[Universal Dark Mode] Disabled');\n }\n }\n });\n \n // Apply on load\n applyDarkMode();\n \n // Re-apply on dynamic content\n var observer = new MutationObserver(function(mutations) {\n if (enabled && !document.getElementById('universal-dark-mode-style')) {\n applyDarkMode();\n }\n });\n observer.observe(document.head, { childList: true });\n \n console.log('[Universal Dark Mode] Loaded - Press Alt+Shift+D to toggle');\n})();", "Universal Dark Mode"); } } catch(__e) { console.warn('[Userscript:Universal Dark Mode]', __e); } })(); })();
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                              @yortus

                              Project A:

                              // file: foo-a.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(): BluebirdPromise{}// <== has type annotation// file: foo-a.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,BluebirdPromise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                              Project B:

                              // file: foo-b.tsimportBluebirdPromise= require('bluebird');exportasyncfunctionfoo(){}// <== no type annotation// file: foo-b.jsfunctionfoo(){return__awaiter(this,void0,Promise,function*(){});}exports.foo=foo;

                              These two projects differ only by a single type annotation, but they produce different JavaScript code with different runtime behaviour.

                              (Compiled with v1.7.3 with target=ES6, module=commonjs, noEmitHelpers=true).

                              (Note elison bug #6003 is also visible here but not the subject of this issue.)

                              Bug or by design?

                              I understand this is by design (sorry I can't find a better ref).

                              However I strongly feel this should be considered a bug, because having a "fully erasable, structural type system" is a core design principle of TypeScript (quote is from the design goals page).

                              If this is tagged as 'by design', could we please get some sort of statement from the team to clarify where TypeScript now stands on the "fully erasable type system" goal and the "[don't] emit different code based on the results of the type system" non-goal?

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