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Dieudonne complete - #1426
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yhx-12243
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Sep 1, 2025
Later I (or you of others) may propose a property namely “Extent less than every measurable cardinal”, as a complete helper for this. (I've preparing for the property of “Extent < 𝖈”, as mentioned in #1398 (comment)) |
Moniker1998
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Sep 1, 2025
@yhx-12243 we could, but we won't be introducing any spaces of size larger than the first measurable cardinal, as far as I know |
yhx-12243
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Sep 1, 2025
Yes, just like P164 (Cardinality less than every measurable cardinal). |
Moniker1998
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Sep 1, 2025
P164 has its use, and this is the reason why the extent property is not needed |
It seems "Dieudonné complete" is a better primary name for this. (see Engelking 8.5.13 and Encyclopedia of General Topology pp. 205, 254, 262.) See Engelking for more topological characterizations for this, in particular items (2) and (3). |
prabau
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Sep 2, 2025
Are you sure about "topologically complete" as an alias? If I recall, that term may have been used for various other things as well, maybe for completely metrizable or Cech-complete. It's rather confusing. |
@prabau wikipedia, which cites Kelley |
Moniker1998
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Sep 2, 2025
@prabau I don't think another alias is bad, I did the same thing with ultranormal property. There shouldn't be confusion as those are just aliases. |
prabau
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Sep 2, 2025
Adding another alias is fine if it has been used somewhere for the same concept. In that case, we should put a note at the bottom mentioning the alternate name with reference. |
Moniker1998
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Sep 2, 2025
T382 could be replaced by |
Wrong. See notes in https://www.ams.org/journals/proc/1973-040-02/S0002-9939-1973-0322812-9/S0002-9939-1973-0322812-9.pdf, if measurable cardinality exists. So I suggest add an extra weaker but correct theorem: R₁ + paracompact ⟹ Dieudonne complete (it can solve the unknown traits in pi-base now, though)
This is right. |
Moniker1998
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Sep 2, 2025
@prabau I've noticed there's no spaces which are |
yhx-12243
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Sep 2, 2025
#742 is the counterexample. See https://scispace.com/pdf/on-subparacompact-spaces-2o1ji8yodk.pdf. |
Moniker1998
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Sep 2, 2025
Ah okay. Another reason to add this eventually |
How do you think to add “R₁ + paracompact ⟹ Dieudonne complete” ? |
Moniker1998
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Sep 2, 2025
There is an exercise in Engelking referencing three papers, I assume one of them contains a somewhat easier proof of this |
Moniker1998
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Sep 2, 2025
Oddly enough, I haven't found easy proof online, but I did find converse for GO-spaces |
Moniker1998
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Nov 18, 2025
@prabau please review |
@felixpernegger that'd be great 👍 |
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For me this is good now, but im sure @prabau will have more comments :)
Uniform spaces and pseudometrics.pdf here's a pdf where I wrote some of the "standard" things about the equivalence of definitions of uniform spaces Edit: Sorry, I've saved it wrong and the previous version was just a tex file saved as pdf |
prabau
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Jul 17, 2026
I have not checked your latest changes, but will soon. |
Moniker1998
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Jul 17, 2026
@prabau what is proven in Dieudonne? |
The characterization as a closed subset of a product of metrizable spaces. |
Moniker1998
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Jul 17, 2026
@prabau then I can add that source and we'll just move on? Or you can add a suggestion. I'll be away for couple of days, though, so maybe @felixpernegger can get to it if I can't |
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prabau
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Jul 17, 2026
I can maybe add a suggestion. I have more suggestions to come, nothing major, mostly cosmetic. But there is no rush. We have waited so long already that one more week will not make a difference. |
prabau
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Jul 17, 2026
I committed an update for P221 directly, as I was unable to make a suggestion for it (too many lines): |
Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
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Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
Moniker1998
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Jul 21, 2026
@prabau anything else? |
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Resolves#477
Essentially, completely uniformizable spaces are those spaces whose Kolmogorov quotient is realcompact.
Perhaps some theorems about realcompact spaces could be replaced by those involving completely uniformizable spaces