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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

The improved method for computing the scale is explained in the comments in the function compute_scale().

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Quick question from a bird's eye perspective: decrease_masked is used in three locations, but this only replaces one. Is it relevant elsewhere? (Also, is it even needed in new_inclusive?)

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

In the meantime, I'm marking this PR as draft.

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Hello - sorry for the late comment.

I don't have an example off the top of my head, but I can say that I saw the same behaviour with new_inclusive (but with different constants).

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Thanks, @GUIpsp. If you happen to find example of the bad behavior with new_inclusive, be sure to note it here or in #1299.

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Looking at this again... I don't think attempting to hack the bounds like this is worth it. Take a look at the comments in the "Notes" section of https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/numeric/random/uniform_real_distribution. In particular, follow the links to the bug reports for the various C++ compilers.

I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

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Thanks, @GUIpsp. If you happen to find example of the bad behavior with new_inclusive, be sure to note it here or in #1299.

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Looking at this again... I don't think attempting to hack the bounds like this is worth it. Take a look at the comments in the "Notes" section of https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/numeric/random/uniform_real_distribution. In particular, follow the links to the bug reports for the various C++ compilers.

I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

In the meantime, I'm marking this PR as draft.

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I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

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Looking at this again... I don't think attempting to hack the bounds like this is worth it. Take a look at the comments in the "Notes" section of https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/numeric/random/uniform_real_distribution. In particular, follow the links to the bug reports for the various C++ compilers.

I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

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In the meantime, I'm marking this PR as draft.

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Looking at this again... I don't think attempting to hack the bounds like this is worth it. Take a look at the comments in the "Notes" section of https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/numeric/random/uniform_real_distribution. In particular, follow the links to the bug reports for the various C++ compilers.

I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

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I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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Thanks for taking another look at this @WarrenWeckesser. Then I think we go for #1462.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

The improved method for computing the scale is explained in the comments in the function compute_scale().

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Quick question from a bird's eye perspective: decrease_masked is used in three locations, but this only replaces one. Is it relevant elsewhere? (Also, is it even needed in new_inclusive?)

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

In the meantime, I'm marking this PR as draft.

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Hello - sorry for the late comment.

I don't have an example off the top of my head, but I can say that I saw the same behaviour with new_inclusive (but with different constants).

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Thanks, @GUIpsp. If you happen to find example of the bad behavior with new_inclusive, be sure to note it here or in #1299.

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Looking at this again... I don't think attempting to hack the bounds like this is worth it. Take a look at the comments in the "Notes" section of https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/numeric/random/uniform_real_distribution. In particular, follow the links to the bug reports for the various C++ compilers.

I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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Thanks for taking another look at this @WarrenWeckesser. Then I think we go for #1462.

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The calculation of scale for the uniform float distribution is moved to its own function and updated to avoid the problem that was pointed out in gh-1299. As part of the new implementation, the new utility methods lt_mask(), increase_masked() and utils_next_down() are added to the FloatSIMDUtils traits.

The improved method for computing the scale is explained in the comments in the function compute_scale().

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Quick question from a bird's eye perspective: decrease_masked is used in three locations, but this only replaces one. Is it relevant elsewhere? (Also, is it even needed in new_inclusive?)

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In the few tests that I did, new_inclusive didn't show the behavior reported in gh-1299, so I focused on fixing the behavior in new, and didn't look much beyond that. I'll take another look, and also I'll get caught up on gh-1289 and the paper linked there.

In the meantime, I'm marking this PR as draft.

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Hello - sorry for the late comment.

I don't have an example off the top of my head, but I can say that I saw the same behaviour with new_inclusive (but with different constants).

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Thanks, @GUIpsp. If you happen to find example of the bad behavior with new_inclusive, be sure to note it here or in #1299.

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Looking at this again... I don't think attempting to hack the bounds like this is worth it. Take a look at the comments in the "Notes" section of https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/numeric/random/uniform_real_distribution. In particular, follow the links to the bug reports for the various C++ compilers.

I think it is useful to have a standard uniform distribution on the half-open interval [0, 1), and that can be done reliably, but handling all the edges cases of the general uniform distribution on [a, b) where it is guaranteed that b will not be generated while maintaining the uniform probabilities of the points near the boundary b and ideally ensuring that the algorithm consumes a fixed number of samples from the underlying PRNG (i.e. no looping for an indefinite number of iterations) is a more involved problem than I can work on now.

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Thanks for taking another look at this @WarrenWeckesser. Then I think we go for #1462.

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